having lost a lot of moderates in the next election perhaps, this election coming up, and say, no, we're going to continue with the scorched earth policy of bringing this guy down. if we can't keep him from being elected a couple times, we're still going to destroy his legacy. which way do you see it going in the next four years if he gets in again? >> i think it depends on the margin. i think if it's considered on the right a narrow re-election for the president, if we postulate that hypothetical, then they say, well, the only problem was paul ryan should have been first on the ticket, should have been more conservative, and you know that argument. i think if it's a blowout and these are all ifs, you have a goldwater-type reassessment, then, yes, a, you have a desire to manufacture, and, b, you have new people in the party like a ted cruz that the president can go out and talk to and say let's be reasonable. you're a tea party guy, but let's do something that people like your parents can have a path to citizenship and -- >> that's a good idea. i'm for that. thank you, gentlemen. andrew sullivan, amazing piece. i will read it several times. >> thank you. >> ari melber, thank you. up next, it took a wild ending to last night's packers/seahawks game to get wisconsin governor scott walker to finally side with union workers.